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This was a study I did a while back experimenting with backgrounds. When I was younger I did the whole lame use a photo as the background and paste my work on top of it. (there's a lot of that in my old colored work only it's ReBoot screen shots and not photos). The fact of the matter is it's lazy and stupid and real artists should make their own backgrounds. It takes longer it's harder but in the end you are better for it as is your work.

That said I'm not terribly good at backgrounds they always give me a hard time. Particularly forests. So this is me working through that. Also I had the strange compulsion to make a coppery dragon.

I was going to make a sires of dragons for the seasons but the winter one just kind of failed....... I might redo it and start up the project again who knows.

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:icongdtod:
I think this looks great as a self-made background ^-^ The dappled light breaking threw the trees is a nice touch as well.

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:icondifferentego:
wow, beautiful colours and lighting:thumbsup: really nice :)
:iconcyrionb:
Don't complain, I think it's great!

(sorry so late)
:iconwingedsonar:
This is nicely done, but don't be afraid of using mixed media just because you've moved to a new level of accomplishment.

I've done photo backgrounding before, and I don't consider it lazy or stupid. Unless one feels lazy or stupid for doing it, it's just a different method of expression in art. If you're a photographer too, use all your resources. Sometimes it simply feels right or has a traditional animation-type feel to it. Don't be afraid of what others abuse or haven't become familiar with yet.
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I rarely see work that has a photograph as a background that looks any good. Or wouldn't have looked better if the artists had taken the time to draw/paint it themselves.

I'm just going to state right here and now I don't like photo collages and or photo-manipulations they seem lazy to me. If the artist wants me to take their artwork seriously then they need to take their work seriously and part of that is be willing to go the extra mile.

In the interest of full disclosure I should state that I have done one of these years ago (a photo photo collage) back when I was still "cheating" with my backgrounds. If I was the person I am now back then I wouldn't have done it.

What other reason is there for an artist to use a photograph (take by themselves or someone else) as a background for a work instead of taking the time to make their own then laziness?

It's not fear that stops me but rather artistic integrity and the desire to improve my skills. There is no challenge in finding a photo that sorta looks like it might be ok as a background and then playing around with the levels/brightness & contrasts to make it work. There's far more skill that goes into having an idea for a background and making it from scratch. Or even as I did with this work finding a photo that you like; using it as a reference and painting it yourself.

Using a photograph as a background honestly feels like tracing to me.
:iconwingedsonar:
Well, I've given my opinion on why I do photo manipulations and have done them, and it wasn't laziness. I won't ever agree that one form of media is acceptable in the art field while another is not and is labeled so harshly. Maybe if you search around for some professional photo manips in the industry you'll one day find something you, not necessarily like, but accept as a form of expressive art, but if you don't accept something sometimes, you just won't ever. Like an acrylic painter who states that digital painting is as useful as a banana peel in the trash or an architectural artist who says that anthropomorphic subject matter demeans the entire piece. It's closed-minded. Artistic opinion is about as touchy as people ordering pizza. Some prefer all toppings, some prefer pepperoni, some prefer onions, some prefer anchovies, and some don't even like cheese on theirs. In the end, it's your choice, and others shouldn't be branded for their choices.
:iconvixen11:
I've seen professional collages and photo-manipulations. I haven't been impressed. Many times they are used because it's cheaper and easier then hiring an artist to draw/paint what is needed. In the world of commercial art I understand that some times you just gotta cut corners cus resources are limited.

But we are getting a bit off topic here I may not like collages or photo-manipulations but I have nothing but contempt for people who use photos as a background.

Slapping a photo on your pictures for a background is not in any way pushing you to become a better artist. And if you aren't pushing yourself then why bother?

That's what it means to be an artist it's not the medium or the subject matter but the drive for excellence. Every piece should be pushing you to become better. The moment you stop caring enough about your work that you are willing to just settle for mediocrity that is when you stop being an artist.

Using a photograph as a background is just admitting defeat. What you are saying when you use one is that you aren't good enough to do it yourself. That you can't be bothered to take the time to try. And that's sad, because you'll never move beyond were you are.

By your standards of what constitutes an "art forum" tracing should be included. Answer me this do you think that tracing is? I'd be very interested to know your reasoning one way or the other.
:iconwingedsonar:
You know what, using such incredibly aggressive words like "contempt" or "lazy" on me, not to mention more accomplished artists in the field who take months to create some manipulations, as I've told you I use and appreciate photo manipulations, is very low. It brings an intelligent discussion about freedom of expression to a stand-still. I have never seen you behave like this where you backhand me in what, honestly, could have been a very interesting conversation about style and preference. I'm so shocked at your last response here. I'm so offended, not by your complete non-acceptance, or even your incredibly harsh judgment of how others choose to create, but of what you have called my art and myself personally in these responses through my sheer choice of media use.

I'm sure you never felt contempt for me before, but I guess you didn't take a close enough look at my past works before deciding to watch me online and find something able to like in me beyond a photo I took and used as a background. Is it really worth feeling contempt over? Or calling others lazy?

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:iconvixen11:
You know I've delayed in replying to you for a number of reason first and fore most you seems to be taking this personalty. It's not meant to be but I seem to be able to do little to change that perception of yours. Also you don't seem to be getting what I'm saying. Perhaps it is my fault for even bringing up photo manipulations but that's not what this is about. This is about using a photo in a background instead of making your own. You can link to me all the photo manipulations and collages you want won't change things.

I use strong language because I feel strongly about this. Don't like my opinion that's fine it's my opinion you don't have to expose your self to it if you don't want to. But I will not censor myself to make people feel better. I don't believe all art is created equal it's not the medium so much as the effort the artists is willing to put forth. Short cuts are one thing but in all honesty I'd rather see a plan white background then a photo and I don't care if you took it your self. The medium the artist chooses says a lot about them. If you are going to use a photo as a background then the reason for doing so should be better then “I was too lazy/unskilled to draw/paint/whatever myself”. If that the only reason why you choose the photo as a background then that is a horrible reason in my book. And nothing will change my mind on that point.

If however an artist chooses to use a photo as a background to make an artistic statement then that's fine. That statement should be clear because if it's not then the artist isn't doing a very good job. But I see this so rarely it's piratically non existent.

Using photos as a background is pretty much the same as tracing. If you are going to do it you better have a damn good reason to do so.
:iconsheysa:
Waw... it's very beautiful !! the background is well made and i love the light effect ^^


(sorry if my english is bad :( )



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